Being S&W & a Ruger fan, I was so disappointed in the Bodygaurd & the LCP. The 380 is in between the 22/25 pocket pistols and the 38spc/9mm sub compacts. Don't need that. S&W Bodyguard .380 7. Went back for service twice. The sig comes with superior sights out of the box and the trigger even though plastic has a very nice pull and reset compared with my LCP2. I have owned several in different calibers and have carried them on-duty and have the utmost confidence in them. Whats your take on the LCP Max? Great gun. In this review, we will cover the disadvantages of the .380 pistol that the LCP II sought to remedy, what makes the LCP II an improvement over the original LCP, and the uses for and specifications of the LCP II. Plus search YouTube for "Texas Rancher Wild Hog .380" and watch his video. No, no, none of the handguns you recommend are a good 380 ACP choice, get yourself a Glock 25, that is like a Glock 19 but chambered in 380 ACP, that gun has almost no recoil and it is concealable but wait a minute, now I remember, you are in the USA so a Glock 25 is a no, no for you. I have owned a Ruger LCP but it was just a little too small for me but thats just a matter of personal choice. (You know, after those calming rubber nipples that young children like to suck on.) My groups are much, much smaller now. The safety feature is no problem if you practice. It does what it's supposed to do, with a really good factory trigger, pretty decent little sights, it's withstood the test of time, and it's a pretty sexy little gun (mine is the matte black with brushed nickel highlights).#1 380, hands down Bersa Thunder 380's, oh ya, and at a very affordable price. The Bodyguard .380 is a small, polymer-framed handgun weighing in at 12.8 ounces with integrated Crimson Trace laser. My Bodyguard did have a few issues with Hornady Civil Defense ammo but Federal HST 99 grain JHP has been off the charts in accuracy and reliability. It makes a HUGE difference! It is all stainless steel, rather than using an Aluminum frame. Thanks for your comment. Check out his new firearms site. (, We noticed that you have previously logged in with your, Check what do you get by creating an account, Bookmark and compare your favorite firearms, Best .380 Pistols [Hands-On]: Pocket Rockets. Conceal carry at my size seems almost impossible. And I have the Sig Sauer p238 (IMO) the KING of the small 380's. I also put a drop of a different color nail polish on the visible part of the back of the hammer to help me see when the pistol is cocked. I think the Pico would, on the other hand, please me the way my older S&W revolvers do, when I just handle them -they seem to ask for, and certainly get, appreciation as something more than a tool. Glock 42 4. But the omission is glaring. I like the 13+1 capacity. The biggest improvement, by far, is the trigger pull. You need the quickest deployment possible and the point and shoot Seecamp is the only one that makes sense. Shot placement is always going to trump "stopping power" and modern 9mm hollowpoints are just as effective against a living, breathing target as older .45 rounds. 6 I get the guys who work at the range to clear the gun, took a FULL five minutes, he fires two rounds and I tell him to take the gun back, I won't fire it again. I appreciate your thorough discussion, BUT the Ruger you are comparing is the LCP while the #1 gun in the article is the LCP II. Taurus and Bodyguard quite snappy but you can adapt. Slide it on your waist band or pocket and you almost forget it's there, so I carry it all the time. She wiped it off loaded it with critical defense and kinda politely sneered at my Remington. The CPX3 has 10+1 capacity which trumps every single gun done in this review. Testing so far yields great reliability with brass and self-defense ammobut it HATES steel cased stuff. I have an AMT Backup in .380 (I also have one in .45 acp). If you take it apart the wrong way or forget to move the ejector upon reassembly, you could damage the gun. (PS-I had a local 'smith do some smoothing of the edges and it's amazingly easy to get in and out!) I, and my brother both have a Kahr CW380. The object of concealed carry has only ONE OBJECTIVE.to stop the threat. Runs laquered steel to brass with a single hiccup, 900 rounds total. Compared to my Taurus PT 709 Slim it is harder to be accurate but worth it from a carry standpoint. This gun is amazing and feeds/extracts EVERY ammo I give it. I can put double taps into three inches at 6 yards. Depending upon who you ask, it beats the .38 in terms of velocity but doesnt hit quite as hard as the revolver cartridge does (because a .380 bullet weighs 95 grains and a .38 Special bullet weighs up to 158 grains). SIG P238 Why Use a .380 Pistol? Well interesting take though on all the ammo comparison charts I've seen on this site for popular handgun ammo I've yet to see the 9mm makarov mentioned and personally I carried a FEG PA-63 a hungarian made pistol though no longer on the market here carried it on me for least 5 years before I changed to a SiG P245 Compact due to the fact that I could Extremely easily find magazines available that fix in quiet extended size for the gun as it Accepted Magazines for the P220 as well which is a common officer carry ever since been a SiG guy still got the p245 but switched to a p938 Texas edition few years back But I'll Say this about the 9mm makarov and the FEG PA-63 at that, that is one gun to this day I regret selling but the local gunshop owner wanted it as a carry as he had one previously that got stolen when he was in the hospital and since they were no longer on market here I parted ways with mine but the 9mm makarov Is a absolutely great round can't even begin to describe how well it feels in the hand compared to a Luger. I re-size my 380 ACP rounds so there fit more into the chamber. It had a single-stack magazine and a large thumb cut-out in the base of the frame, to supposedly make magazine removal easier. Happy surprise the G10 grips are awesome secure! Some of the results of this study show that rifles and shotguns are very effective (duh!) It does have small sights and is a mini-beast to shoot. I'm hoping one pound will make my actual carry more likely in these crazy days. While it's not pocket size, some features I like are the safeties it has, (so when not in use it can be locked without having to put a trigger lock on it and cannot fire without the mag), it has a fixed barrel, it is a 15+1, and while the initial trigger pull is long all others are short and the recoil is nice for control. Bought the SW body guard, it is great, easy to conceal. I carry a 3" folder, but not a Bowie. I couldn't get even I magazine to fire without 2 or 3 issues. Worldwide, and throughout the Cold War, and to this day, it is on the list of backup pistols endorsed and authorized to be used by some US Police Departments. The LCP II is bigger than the original LCP and is a blocky and unattractive turd. The extra half inch of barrel imporives accuracy dramatically and tames recoil even more dramatically. It is slightly heavier, but packs a wallop with Corbon flying ashtrays. Looking for the FBI specs 12 inch to 18 inch in ballistic gelBut here's what I found after all the Self Defense 380 ammo testing. Particularly the compact model is a really nice-shooting pistol that is light enough and small enough for concealed carry. Alejandro Pera. I am a pistol instructor, and I never teach students to rigidly adopt any stance. Other pluses include a lifetime warranty and a free year in the NRA. Not going to cycle (read) all these awesome responses to this well written article except to say that if a woman like my wife showed me the barrel of her 380 and hit me with a couple-three rounds -- I would be one hurting unhappy camper. The V-10 went back to SA, and they did a phenomenal job on the feed ramp. Split rails, cracked frames, cracked grips, broken take down pins etc. The Bersa is a Great Value that gets the job done without fail! True, it is to stop the threat. It is like the Ruger but fit my hand better. The Micro 380 is a miniature 1911. Great pistol! Mine has gone through hundreds of rounds from every brand I find, and there's no more than an occasional jam. The plastic grip sides come loose after shooting it. Its in my opinion size wise as in between my Glock 17 and my Taurus pocket rocket. I know there is bad talk about Remington pistols, but this one I have rocks. I've heard the same thing about it being a bit picky on ammunition, but never experienced it. Recently, I also purchased the Bersa Thunder plus 380 (15+1 capacity) and it too hasnt failed to feed, eject or fire with Ball or JHP ammo! I have big hands and the pocket .380's don't work for me. But for now, youll have to settle for a high grip. The Glock 42 is a pocket pistol-sized firearm intended for concealed carry. What is in the box ? I shoot the 238 better than the 938, but not by much. When you see a list of the Best .380s and the Beretta Cheetah is not on it there is something disingenuous going on. As a combat vet, I don't want anything without useable sights, which the 911 demonstrably has (excellent night sights) and is accurate (again, the 911 is surprisingly competent at extended ranges). I call these comfortable little handguns pacifier pistols. I like the DA/SA design, 8+1 capacity, lifetime warrantee, and $299/$309 price point. And in a .380, what's working for me might not work in someone else's pistol. Sharing my experience. How does the RM380 pocket carry for you? Oftentimes, the guns chambered in .380 ACP are tiny enough to fit into your front pocket. I do not feel under gunned when carrying either gun. If you want something toylike with questionable or useless sights, the author's list will serve you. Got rid of it and got a Sig P238 and a Glock 42. I use old Supervel. Another good one not mentioned in your list: Remington's RM380, which like the Sig is all metal. While I'd agree that we've never had a better selection of ammunition for the .380 ACP, and that it is a viable alternative to a .38 Special snub gun, the .38 Special really deserves to compared to the 9 mm Parabellum. This article by Alex Joseph originally appeared at Gun News Daily in 2019. The LCP II is my usual EDC because it's size and weight make it so comfortable and easy to carry in a kydex IWB holster from Concealment Express. Quite accurate, too. Feeling safe while carrying a sidearm is NOT the same thing as actually being safe. Not an inconvenience of power loss or what have you but, societal break down. That thing is a piece of garbage. I own both lcp pistols. Note: DOES NOT FIT Glock 43, Ruger LC380, and other larger frame 380's. And help you choose the best .380 ACP pistol for self-defense and concealed carry. This writer is SPOT ON w/the issue of firing & nothing happening w/the Bodyguard! Decent groups, although early on, I was working out my shooting kinks. And, be confident enough to accurately use it.. Anyone have feedback on the Bersa Thunder 380? M&P Bodyguard with Laser There are basically two methods of thought when it comes to self-defense cartridges. But if you are carrying it. BEWARE. I like the three dot sights that comes with the pistol the last round hold open. The concealed carry version has a smaller beaver tail which can get in the way on the standard version if you are a bigger guy.. Great gun for the price and easy maintenance. But if carry options are limited to just a pocket carry for you (i.e. Im with ya on the Remington RM380. Check out our full review of the Bodyguard .380 ACP. But you get the idea. In the worst-case scenario where your shots aren't on point, a .380 will have a harder time taking someone down vs. a 9mm. You need to know that your ammo of choice works in your gun of choice. Have you tried magazine extender that permits 3 finger grip, or does that magazine you mentioned offer that? Copyright 2023 Pew Pew Media, Inc. All rights reserved. you a link to reset your password. I just purchased a S&W Bodyguard ($50 manufacturer's rebate through June). You get two shots, a single-action-only trigger, teeny tiny grips, and super short barrels. Stainless steel Magazines with stainless steel follower. I've been armed for over 50 years on a daily basis. Patience will get you free shipping, too, as Palmetto makes that available every so often. I like the others the LC-380 has a long smooth trigger pull like the RM-380, both are good I just don't care for that long pull. Jams Precision One. I carry a Ruger SR22 and I can fire off 10 fast shots accurately due to no recoil.. The thing that got me was for handgun rounds from 380 to 44 Mag, the lethal/incapacitate results were pretty much equal! It is also ergonomically correct and comfortable with the mag with the pinky extension. I went with the Glock 42 and enjoy shooting it, additionally I am a Glock armorer which factored into the decision. You do not pay The trigger pull was beyond bad. Got three of them, one of which is an initial commemorative model (still in box, never fired). Though it is probably one of the most expensive 380's on the market, I don't think that should matter when it comes to defending yourself and loved ones. I had to go with the .380 for health reasons. Otherwise, I REALLY like the bodyguard and would feel 95% to 99% comfortable with it. Opens up a little bit more at 10 yards. and let me say Where the hell do you expect to conceal your .40 S&W on a 96 degree August day in Florida.! I own many pocket 380's, Colt Mustang XSP (now called Lite), Glock 42 (two of them), Kahr CW-380, Remington RM-380, Ruger LCP, LCP Custom, LCP II, LC-380, Springfield 911 380, S&W Sigma 380, Taurus Spectrum. Thanks for sharing your experience, Mark. I have had a Bersa Thunder .380, a Ruger LC380, and now a Glock 42. Don't do plastic guns .. put to many rounds thru to many of them and about the ONLY one worth a flip is a p99 . . anyhoo, the sig can be had for $450-500 if you shop it and it's worth it and more . . By far, It's the best quality gun of the bunch, takes all ammo and won't fail after a ton of rounds if you really want to make a habit of .380 practice with a pocket gun. I can't believe they left one of the best, if not THE best .380 on the market, The Beretta Pico. Learn all the important stuff about handgunswith none of the attitude. OUCH! They get the job done, but several shots may need to be fired to get your point across. Anyway I decided to purchase the revot in spite of that absurd and stupid law. Ive trained it out but I was pulling it left every shot because of that long hard pull. This adds to the visual/narrative of the text. Jimenez, Lorcin, Raven, Jennings, and a few I'm most certainly missing are all part of this certain category of firearms best described as junk. That said, I will continue to practice my tap-rack-bang exerciseseven with a Glock. Thanks for the great article. Neither would I want my pistol's barrel to be anything less than 4 inches in length. Haven't had a chance to try that out but thanks for the rec. I found the small grip and long trigger pull of the Ruger LCP makes it difficult to stay on target. I've had a Kahr PM9 for years, thrown everything I could at it, and it has never failed to feed, fire, or lock the slide. Thanks for mentioning that the Underwood works in the LCP 2. for CC, I have a Lg. Good looking too. Rock Island Armory Baby Rock 7. Winchester #209 Shotshell Primers Utterly smooth in every way. I can say that they are similar, and this is the only gun on this list that is of all-metal construction. To give you an idea, Im 55 and 108lbs. [Moving from "safe" to "fire" with a shooting grip is no problem, so I consider this more gripe than fail.]. .380 pocket pistols are incredibly easy to conceal, and this is what is largely attributed to their long time popularity in the United States. M&P Shield EZ .380 6. - It's made in America (on the East coast of Florida) So Bodygard is "BETTER". The grip shape is comfortable and recoil is no worse than any other .380 pocket pistol. I have a Beretta 9 mm Storm carbine, and it's quality really impresses me. Sig Sauer P238 Nitron 12. It gets dirty and dusty just from carrying it. On a side note, thanks for a great article and website. Hi Chuck-I was thinking the exact same thing in regards to the trigger. If it's something that's stuffed in my pocket, I want to make sure firing it is as intentional as possible. Kahr CT380 is a great choice as well. It was very ammo sensitive . It's certainly uglier and much more expensive. I addressed the black sight visibility issue with a little white nail polish and have no issue picking up the sight picture, so long as I get my tri-focals lined up correctly. The downside is it's only five rounds and bites a lot harder, especially in +P. The accuracy is very nice (I am going to paint my sights). Rating the Ruger LCP II above the Sig P238 made me laugh. Overall, the trigger on the LCP II makes it infinitely easier to shoot than the original LCP. Also, the penetration is very low. I recently purchased the Kahr after reading this article, and many others. I have an 84fs. My favorite are .45s by Kimber, Taurus, Remington, Metro Arms --- 9mm by CZ, CANIK, SARZILMAS (SAR), Remington, Taurus Millennium G-2 --- .380 by BERSA (Thunder .380 and .380 PLUS), Browning, Beretta and the well built GIRSAN MC-14 I also have the Kimber micro in both 380 and 9 mm. And just like my performance center 9mm shield it will run anything without fail. I got a 380 many years ago because I "print" way too easily, and found I could carry an AMT 380 with no problem. While the grip may be a little square for some shooters, the petite size and easy slide makes this gun a great CCW option for smaller humans. I'm not sure where you learned to count/measure Josh. At the very least you should be able to place all of your rounds at center mass. The second thought is all-inclusive and says carry whatever you can handle comfortably enough to prevent someone else from taking your life. Shoots fine and no issues. Reliability Winchester 209 Primers Shotshell The non-corrosive and all-weather primers provide quick reliable ignition in any shooting conditions. Thank goodness for conceal carry licenses! It may be slightly larger than the pocket models, but I prefer my 7+1 Bersa Thunder 380 for concealment, great hand fit, trigger, & DA/SA with decocker. These handguns are reliable and easy to manipulate. But despite those advantages, .380 pocket pistols have also been plagued by a number of downsides. Don't get me wrong, Glock makes great pistols but as far as the pocket models in 380 and 9, they are a Johnny-come-lately-me-too and it shows. (As a 31-year Army combat vet I appreciate decent sights; yes, even on a pistol that is generally considered a "short range" solution.) Both guns are extremely accurate. It also just happens to be the best looking gun on this shortlist. It has a longer mag for those of us with larger hands, built in Crimson Trace laser grips, will shoot any ammo you put through it, the fact that it is a hammer fired pistol it eliminates the trigger pull issue that some of the others have, it also has a metal frame and slide, and it looks great(not that that's important, just an added bonus). Also, I have not had any problems with any ammo. I dress then chose a pistol from my collection that fits concealed with the most stopping power. I would suggest in this instance photos of the various Guns. I have no problem running ball and hollowpoint ammo in it. By the way I also own a S&W Shield 9mm and a full size S&W M&P 9mm both great guns , the Bodyguard .380 sucks though . I don't often carry a 380 out of the hose anymore since retirement, but before I did it was the Kahr as the smallest, LCP II as my steady fiend. It's truly a shame that this wasn't included in the report. (However, suspect Ruger will go with the LCP II as their .380 and discontinue the LC380.). The pinky extension on the magazine, though, is critical for control. The gun now sits high on the shelf in my basement bicycle/workshop. So much so that all, absolutely all the later models that have been made up to the present, including the iconic Beretta 92, have copied and reproduced this decocker / safe system. And for that, it is king and an absolute item to bring if possible. By comparison, the UXP still worked fine in 9mm, but he was able to find dozens of 9mm hollow point rounds that expanded consistently and only cost a fraction of the price. Turns out I should probably should have gone with the S&W. After he graduated high school, he joined the Marines where he qualified with an M16, an M9 pistol, and a 240G machine gun. Getting hit in center body mass with 95 - 100 gr hollow point will take the fight out of 95% of the human population. And for the record, I don't work for Kimber. Standing out as one of the smallest on this list, Kahr isnt a brand you hear a lot but this is definitely an option you should consider. The LCP ll has a new improved trigger and is similar to a striker fired pistol. Your mileage may vary. you hope never to have, the 42 will be there for you. I do find more noticeable recoil when using this ammo. (My LCP had the same problem.). All in all, I love it. Another thing that affects recoil is the design of the handgun itself. The best gun for any emergency is the one I have with me. A blowback action is going to kick the most of all, followed by a partially locked (or, as they say nowadays, a modified Browning lock-up) breech; and, the lightest recoiling pistol is invariably one that employs a locked breech. It shoots fine now and have over 200 rounds thru it since the magazine tweek. Teaching CCW to point and shoot in this situation rather than retreat is like advising suicide. I acquired two pinky extended mags, and applied my requisite Talon grips. I also carry this 'cannon' into theaters, libraries, to the park, to the zoo, etc. Accurate and adequately handles the recoil of best defence ammo available. I'm a 65-y-o man with arthritis in both hands and carpal tunnel syndrome in both wrists, and the easy rack and milder recoil are the primary reasons I chose the EZ in the 380 model. Snappy but controllable and also pretty accurate for the size. I mostly like the Bersa Thunder .380, but, reliability can be a concern. Still I would highly recommend this pistol, especially if you need to pocket carry. It is considerably lighter and smoother than the original LCP and other comparable .380 pistols, and it also features the Glock-style bladed safety that must first be depressed in order for the trigger to be pulled. I've been using Hornady Critical Defense in it. I have the Bersa Thunder Combat .380 and love it. The safety on my Shield .40 was the same way. Your last paragraph says it all Bullet placement is the key. I strongly suggest checking out Kimber. Well go over whats fact and whats fiction. I believe its foolish and only going to get your ass shot by LE. They are built super sleek, appear as if they were designed in a wind tunnel. It was made by browning and I traded it for a 222 rifle. 45 ACP as a duty weapon as an administrator. 6 I get the mag in, release the slide and it doesn't go fully into battery. It looks like a Walther PPK, which is neat, but other guns beat it. All in all, I wouldn't trade it for anything of its type! It's not about killing the perp, just ending the threat and after getting shot with a 22 or 380 the perp will run away because of the pain and noise which will bring attention to the perp. I cant win. Its looks great and feels great in my hands. IMHO the LCP II trigger is much, much smoother and easier to use, although I do wish the shape was more rounded where my finger contacts it.. You say the LCP2 has a long stiff trigger not true the first gen LCP did the LCP2 are one of the best triggers available on a 380 hadgun. I carry it a lot because of how I dress. Its a small pocket gun with similar specifications to most every gun you did list. Today I have a Glock 43. Just like the crazies that are carrying guns illegally and using them criminally. Picked up a Sig 238 and never looked back - just drop it into a pocket But, all it took was a disassembly and careful stoning job. But it is still comparing the .38 Special, with one hand tied behind it's back, to a .380 ACP which is allowed all the advantages. Comfortable for pocket quick to aim and easy to hit your target. Different primers some Full Metal Jacket some hollow points. It is also one of the most accurate small pistols I've ever shot. Why Ruger makes its guns difficult to disable for cleaning is beyond me. Examples of popular small pocket .380 autos include the original Ruger LCP, Taurus TCP, Smith & Wesson Bodyguard .380, and the Kel-Tec P3-AT to name a few. A slight correction. However, the LCP is her pistol and she still wants to carry it. I simply bought it because of its price (too low to mention??? I carry a Springfield XDS in45acp. In my considered opinion anything less than either a 9 x 19mm, or a 45 ACP pistol is for people who dont know any better to drool over and covet. I know the California Highway Patrol carried .38 spl. The size and weight make it very easy to carry especially with the screw on belt clip. Dear Mr. Joshua, enjoy your article and share many of the concepts that you use. The gun has that phenomenal Sig quality, is very comfortable in the hand and shoots extremely well! The Kimber, Metro Arms American Classic, CZ-75B, CANIK 55, CANIK TP9v2, --- all of my .380s. This article stated the trigger pull on the Ruger LCP II is long and heavy, that is incorrect, in fact that is one of the improvements over the original LCP.. Chambering a round cocks the hammer and the trigger pull is almost that of a single action pistol. You should do a part II to this article and evaluate a few of the other guns that were mentioned in the comments. So if you like Critical Defense ammo (with the red polymer plug), get the LCP, it works GREAT and EVERY time. I think it is better than the SIG p238 and at a better price point. Another point: I have been working on the Center Axis Relock shooting stance. Hey Jeff, it seems great in concept but haven't had any hands-on experience with it. Sure. But damn if my wife didn't like it also. I sold my Ruger LCP (original model) and bought the Glock 42. I even carry it sometime in my pocket as back up to my Glock 17 which I should say it way sweeet (the 17). These write ups for .380 always list guns like the P238, colt mustang, etc.without explaining the issues with carrying SA only pistol (especially in a pocket). The look like high end custom 1911 mags. (I'm not, due to the absence of a grip safety.) The .380 cartridge is as nasty as any other small one! The AMT has a small finger hook at the bottom that helps with recoil. Steel case hollow points seem to be the most disagreeable. Have fired hundreds of rounds with both. I have carried and shot many many rounds through both my LCP 2 and my sig P238. anything extra and your I have put rounds through all of the pistols in your post. Its a polymer-framed gun with a capacity of six in the mag, one in the chamber. I don't know if anyone else has mentioned it, but it's almost a sin that you did not put the .380 Seecamp at the very top of this list. In selecting .380 Personal Defense pistols, it would seem that the Taurus TCP 738 Pistol would get an "Honorable" mention if not place in the top 5-10. The barrel was also ported to dampen recoil and to prevent gases from blowing a hole in the shot pattern. And the two metals combine to make this small handgun tip the scales at 15.2 ounces, with a barrel length of 2.7 inches long. Was this a consideration? THAT should NOT be! I am a retiring Law Enforcement officer. decorated guns for a "get it out of my shop" discount. 2 major things I would contest though: Initially it only liked ball rounds, but after the break-in period (Kahrs have super-tight tolerances), it runs perfectly. No comparison in my book. Only complaint I have is that long trigger pull. Box of 1000: 10 Sleeves of 100 And that is why you need a gun that can handle a lot of ammo down range. l looked at those models on your list (and several others), but found what I was looking for in the Springfield 911, which, in my opinion, was far superior in design, construction, features, and feel. I found a Desantis pocket carry for it to ride in. I had been carrying a S&W M&P Shield 9 mm, with the Magguts conversion for 9 + 1 rounds, as my EDC until I picked up the LCP II. withering fire is a bitch especially if you have it..carrying 500 rounds of anything else is 2X a normal combat loading and damn heavy after 10 miles of hiking.now make it 20..and you still need food, clothing, perhaps a tarp and/or tent, water..adding 20lbs of ammo doesn't make much sense when you are evading society.. Shotshell equivalents are nothing new. The thing is so ergonomically-designed, you don't even know it's in your pocket (holster) most of the time.
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